McDonald’s Money

April 12, 2010 by  
Filed under Mommy Monday

The other day I was at the kitchen table, paying bills and balancing the bank account when Kali looked over my shoulder, pointed at a circled dollar amount on a sheet of paper and asked, “Is that how much money we have?”

Any parent will tell you that you always pause to figure out the best way to answer your child’s question no matter how innocent the question may be. My first instinct – sometimes to a fault – is to always tell the truth. But then you have to worry about the ramifications of telling the truth. Take Kali’s question as an example – I had to ask myself, “Did we have the talk about privacy and money? Do I have to worry that I’ll see this post on Facebook:

My Mom has $1,600 in the bank!


I realized that a simple yes or no answer might not be so simple after all, so I gave the standard Mommy reply when we need time to stall.

“Girl, go play.”

As I prepared to write this, I tried to remember what my perception of the family finances were when I was a child (without being biased by what I know now.) Did I think we were poor? I’m not sure if I felt like we were poor, but I knew we didn’t have money. At least not a lot of it. My mother always attached money to our wants.

“Ma, can we have McDonald’s?”

“You got McDonald’s money?”

“Ma, can we go to the movies?”

“You got movies money?”

I was always left with the feeling that we didn’t have any money. Of course, now I realize when my mother said, “I don’t have McDonald’s money,” she meant exactly that. She had money, just not for McDonald’s. There was never a time when we didn’t eat, we just didn’t have McDonald’s.

Even though my mother and stepfather never fought about money openly (or even stressed over it in front of us) it wasn’t hard to figure out our financial station in life. Hell, just spending any time with family and friends who had more money or turning on The Cosby Show told me that we weren’t exactly the Rockefellers.

As a parent, I worry about what kind of financial message (even silently) I’m sending to my kids. There’s very little that Kali wants that she doesn’t get. But she also knows that these things don’t come magically. We’ve had the discussion about pay, taxes, and bills. She understands that going to work means getting paid. She saw me doing side merchandising and mystery shop jobs before the holidays in order to buy the laptop she wanted for Christmas.

I’m hoping this has given her an appreciation for the things we have. But there’s a fine line. We want our kids to take care of the things they have because they know they cost money and they know that money isn’t plucked out of thin air, but we don’t want our kids worrying about money. I don’t think they should have to.

I found myself choosing my words carefully when explaining our recent move to Kali. It’s an uncomfortable sentence, but I thought, “Mommy and Daddy can no longer afford that bigger house,” was appropriate. It was the perfect segue way into how much it costs to, well, live. Bigger houses are more expensive to heat in the winter and keep cool in the summer, this means bigger monthly bills and less money left over for extras or savings, etc.

Spending habits are just that – habits. If you have poor ones, your kids are in danger of picking them up. Of course, there’s also the chance that your kid may grow up to do the exact opposite. So affected by growing up in a household where utilities were also at risk of being shut up off, a child may grow up to be super responsible with their finances to simply not repeat their parents’ mistakes. But why risk it? Even if you’re faking the funk, is it better to always put on a happy face in front of your kids when it comes to money?

No matter how tight money becomes, there’s one area in which I refuse to have my kids affected. Food. Growing up, there was four of us kids and not a lot of extras. We pretty much ate breakfast and lunch in school, and things like cereal were saved for the weekends to be devoured in front of Saturday morning cartoons. And though we weren’t denied food, there was definitely the unspoken understanding that food couldn’t be consumed just for the sake of doing it. It seemed everything had to last. There wasn’t a lot of extra snacks laying around the house.

Soda was a treat. Kool-Aid was a (cheap) staple. It always seemed to me that other people had it so much better than we did. I’d go to my cousins’ houses and marvel at the amount of Sunnydale juices in the fridge or bags of chips in the cabinet. I was fascinated when school friends could go into the kitchen and prepare a sandwich without having to ask first. To me, these folks were living large! As a result, I make sure my house is filled with the things my kids like to eat. There are very few things (snacks purchased strictly for school) that Kali has to ask for before eating. I wonder if she thinks she’s living large.

Then again, she is only 11 and 11-year-olds aren’t exactly known for being rational thinkers. The other day she asked if we were poor. I told her no and then wanted to know why she asked.

“Well, I keep asking to be a premium member of that website I like, and you keep saying no.”

So, let me this straight: you live in a nice house with nice televisions, every game system on the market, tons of video games and DVDs, you have nice clothes and your own laptop and you think we’re poor because I won’t pay for unlimited access to a site where Chester Chester, Child Molesters could be lurking? *facepalm*

But maybe this means I’m doing something right. Maybe this means that she has all the understanding of money one needs to have at 11: things cost money and sometimes Mommy and Daddy will buy you the things you need/want because they can and it’s appropriate and sometimes they won’t because they can’t or won’t. Then again, maybe she was just being a smartass.

So, how much info is too much info? Should your children know what’s in your bank account? Should they be aware of exactly how much money it takes to keep the roof over their heads, the lights on, and food on the table?

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I don't know how I missed this blog, but this is a great topic. I have been asking my clients for the last few years about their first memory of money. It really helps me provide advice that makes sense for them and sets a good foundation for our relationship.

I have been toying with an idea to take that further and offer to meet with couples before they marry and interview them on concepts of money because that is one of the biggest causes of divorce.

I will also be presenting a workshop titled "Raising Money Wise Children". I hope to get up with you at some point so you can share ideas with me. Maybe you can even ghost write a book for me.

Like some others in the comments, I grew up being given money and had to take responsibilty for my own damn self. Sure, I lived away from family often, but the same was true when we were together. If I wanted X for lunch of a new shirt/book I had to pay for it. It is a great way to teach your kids about money and needs v. wants.

My parents never told me how much money they had but before we migrated I knew we were living very well. Once we migrated to the US and we weren't living the way we were there it was hard for me to understand why I got only 1 Christmas present as opposed to the 15 the year before. I saw how hard my dad worked and how we went days eating lentil and rice...more like weeks. Why? because we were eating what we could afford. I slowly started to understand about finances and that just because they said they couldn't buy something for me didn't mean they didn't want to. They just couldn't. Hell I shared a bed with my brother for months in a one bedroom apartment in the living room. Looking back, I'm glad I lived through what I lived through. I'm very responsible with finances and make sure I have everything I want and need and can afford. Hence why right now I don't have HBO, but give it a month or two and I will get it back! lol

Besides, you only really need HBO during the summer when True Blood is on.

As my husband and I are trying to conceive, I occasionally get stressed out about how the hell we will ever be able to afford to take proper care of a child. This post made me realize that I never once thought that my family was poor when I was a kid, and my husband and I are better off right now than my parents were when they first had kids.

I think it sounds like you are honest with Kali without being so harsh that it frightens her or causes her undue stress.

See, I knew we were a little bit above "poor" when I was a kid... little did I know that my mother had WIC. I didn't even know what that WAS until a couple weeks ago! I was shocked that we were poorer than I thought. I think we were only getting WIC stuff in my really early years though... Eventually she was able to save like crazy and penny pinch enough that we didn't require the help anymore. I was one of those kids that never got a snack after school, was only allowed to eat what my mother gave me, was only allowed to have dessert two nights a week, had to count out a serving size no matter what it was (I'm serious, we counted out exactly 22 crackers if that's what we were having)... I never knew what it was to actually GET the things I wanted until I met my husband. Even as an adult I kept up with my mother's way of doing things. Anthony thought it was so weird that, as an adult, I didn't eat snacks when I was hungry but would force myself to wait til "dinner time" like I'd been taught. Now I still have a rough time eating if it's not a designated meal time. I don't think it's a bad thing though... I think I'll probably teach my children that. You can survive without all the luxury in life and still be happy. It's easier to teach your child that wants are not necessarily fulfilled just because they exist.

My mom's a nurse, so there were times growing up we were solidly middle class. Then there were times no one was hiring nurses, so my mom worked way below her education level. Those were the times the cupboards tended to have things like ramen, government cheese and powdered milk. So, I knew the reality of our situation, but I don't ever remember being worried that things wouldn't be ok.

And I learned early on to pay for my own extras too... my first "job" was at age 12 as a receptionist and "assistant dance teacher" at the studio where I took classes. I got free classes for answering the phone and trying to teach ballet positions to 4 year olds.

Every kid should have a Paper Route. It'll teach her all the stuff she needs to know about working, earning, saving, etc. If she wants to blow it all on a stupid website, her loss. Plenty of adults do that too.

That's so old school! It made me smile.

Do kids still have paper routes? Do people still read the paper?

I did it from 9-13. I was a pimpin' 10-year old in my Jordans, which, ironically, were also made by working 10-year olds.

Dei doesnt know exactly how much i make because it varies but she does know about mortgages and utility bills. Her child support is her allowance, $300 a month, for tthe most part she uses it to buy food clothes and build a bears. the food thing is simply because she doesnt want to wait for me to go grocery shopping so she will ride her bike up a block to the store. She knows that if i need it i will transfer from her account to mine. the newest lesson is about her room. i spent a ton of money and effort decorating and painting her room..she has decided that she wants a more grown up design but i refuse to pay for it so i told her that if she saved up $1000 that she could use it to redecorate...i doubt there will be any new bears in the house for awhile...

I grew up in a poor home. Home-made pinto beans and cornbread, chili, and such cheap foods were staples. Some utilities came and went. But my mom never sat me down and explained finances to me, probably because she didn't understand them herself.

It took getting married and turning 30 to make me budget-minded, and I still screw up from time to time.

I say do everything you can to make sure that she understands, "work first, buy later." You'll be doing her a favor.

....oh and then I got a job, and I lost my allowance AND had to pay board AND fuel to get to and from work! That sucked!

That's a big allowance, but you were responsible for a lot of your own extra expenses. That's stuff they'd have paid for anyway, but giving you the money allowed you to learn a lesson. I like that.

My parents gave me like $50 a week allowance.... BUT... that covered ALL food in between meals, except fruit... all my after school activities, and all clothes and shoes etc... it taught me how to budget. I could either blow it all at the canteen, and not get to do anything, or I could work out how much I needed for sports etc and then go from there.

My kids don't need to know how much money I make, cause what I do in my own bed, is my business!

I'm glad I don't have kids so I can be greedy with my money.

I don't think kids should know HOW MUCH money you have because even if you explain bills and expenses, $30,000 a yr and $1 million a yr sound like a lot to kids. But If you explain that work = money, and money means we can buy the things we have, then I think you are on the right track.

Growing up, i remember many times shopping with my mom at Target and I would always go look at the toy aisle while she bought who knows what. I would always come back to her with some toy or other and said "can I have this" and she would say "no" most of the time. I Never thought that meant we were poor. I just thought that meant I couldn't have THAT toy.

I was in a unique position because my dad was a small business owner. Every night he would come home with money from his cash drawer. I would watch him count out a load of cash and I would help him sort the bills and prepare his bank deposits. I saw him split the money into piles for different bills and vendors, so I knew that all money that comes in wasn't for us. Also seeing large amounts of cash on a daily basis made me no so impressed with money. At the same time though, we were NOT a rich family. We were middle class.

About the food thing though.... My mom was, is and will always be all about feeding me. As a child NO food was off limit to us. There was always a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables, home cooked meals, and snacks, chips, ice cream and sweets available to consume whenever I felt like it. NO LIMITS. Again having food around all the time made food not to be a big deal.

But about food and money, even when my mom sent me to school with a brown bag lunch, she would always give me lunch money just in case the lunch line at school had something I would like better. She never wanted me to WANT a meal and not have it. So to this day, when I go to the grocery store, i am SO BAD at looking at the prices and bargain shopping. When it comes to food, if I want it, I buy it and I eat it.

"When it comes to food, if I want it, I buy it and I eat it."

I may get that tattooed on my ass.

If you follow my mantra, you'll have enough room to tattoo your ass 2, 3 , maybe 4 times......

ooh i have a lot to add. but i wll do it when i leave work. food and money. 2 things I love!

OOH! SO glad to see you! I definitely am going through the "wondering how much to tell my son" issue as well. Last year when the boyfriend (we live together) was probably going to lose his job (thankfully he found another) I had to have a chat with Nick about the fact that we wouldn't have as much money for the fun stuff. I told him that we would always make sure that we had a place to live and that we would always have food and that we would always be together, but that there would fewer new toys and games and fewer trips to places like McDonald's and the donut shop and the movies. I hope I handled it OK... God knows I didn't want to have the talk. I know he's 10, but I want to keep him innocent as long as I can. :-)

That's the exact balancing act I was referring to. They need to know what's going on just enough to respect money and the things you buy for them, but they shouldn't know so much that they worry, you know?

gosh darnit i just left a long comment and it got lost!!

i've taught my teen that sometimes it looks like people have money but what they really have is a lot of debt. we talk to him about saving and only using cash when he is out on his own. hopefully he is learning good habits but you never know. i pray he doesnt end up with an instant gratification personality! he earns allowance and the only way he gets extra is if he babysits his siblings or makes honor roll. so if he has spent his money and his friends ask him to go see a movie or something, he is out of luck.

I grew up in a house like the one you grew up in. We WERE poor. We ate Hot dogs and macaroni and cheese(store brand) as a dinner because we HAD to not because we chose to. Ramen noodles, at $.25 a package was also a staple, along with our Kool Aid.(Hell, at $.10 a package for a package that made 2 quarts, that was a steal!) I think because of that I am very liberal with food for my kids. There is not a lot they can't have any damn time they want. I have a friend who limits her kids to two juice boxes a day because they are to expensive, i don't feel the same way. I look at it as, they are $2.00 for 10, my soda is anywhere from $3.00- $400 for 12. Why should I get more than them?
We haven't had to talk about money to much yet, my oldest is 7, but I remember when I was about 11 I started getting an allowance, after the first week my stepdad sat me at the kitchen table and gave me a piece of paper and a pencil and told me to write down where my money had gone. I couldn't do it. And it wasn't a ton of money, maybe like $10? You bet your bottom the following week I could account for every last penny. That lesson taught me a lot about money and how not to be spend crazy!!!

I know this may sound weird, but I was thinking about taking taxes out of Kali's allowance.

That's a good idea then you can help her file a tax return for the year, a fake one of course. Then the fake IRS can audit it...nah you don't wanna scar her for life.

Taxes out of an allowance? C'mon now. You know that's wrong.

LMAO! How is that wrong? Don't you think it will teach her a lesson?

When the election was going on and it was towards the end when it was very apparent that Obama was beatin' dat ass, the word socialist was being bandied about. Kali started asking about taxes. I used pizza to explain percentages and what some people pay vs. what others pay based on how much they earn. I told her that just because you make $20/hr and work 40/hrs a week doesn't mean you're bringing home $800 at the end of the week. You don't think taxing the allowance will prepare her for that?

So you're going to go through all the trouble of explaining that you took out 3% for this and 5% for that? No taxation without representation. Are you going to give her a say in the household decisions too?

I don't have an answer for any of your questions, I'm just glad to see this blog show up in my FB newsfeed again! Love the banner up top. Love it, Love it, Love it! One question though.....how the f*ck am I now 36 and your black ass is still "34" in the 'About the Author'? Answer me that, Nina.

Cause that's how I roll, beyotch!

Seriously, the author's lazy ass needs to update that section.

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