Lost – Season 5 – Epis. 12 & 13 “Dead is Dead” and “Some Like It Hoth”
April 16, 2009 by nina
Filed under Lost Season 5
Previously on Lost: Sayid shoots young Ben in the 70′s. Kate and Sawyer take Ben to Richard Alpert who says that if he helps Ben, Ben will always be one of them. Because Ben won’t give himself up, Whitmore’s mercenary kills Alex. Sun takes off with Lapidus to find Jin. Locke realizes Ben is back on the island too.
And now…
On the island, a guy with curly thick hair rides a horse. He looks like something off an old romance novel’s cover. He storms into the camp of The Others and approaches Richard.
He’s pissed that Ben is there. He tells Richard he should have let Ben die. Richard says the island chooses who it chooses and that Jacob wanted it done. This shuts Fabio Jr. up.
He goes in to see Ben and tells Ben that he has to go back, but Ben wants to stay. He wants to be one of them. The stranger with the fancy hair tells Ben that even if he lives with the DI, that doesn’t mean he isn’t one of them. Fabio Jr. is a young Charles Widmore.
Back in present day, Ben wakes up and claims that he knew that Locke would survive. Locke wants to know why Ben was trying to get to the other island. Ben says he came back to be judged. By the monster. Sweet! I love smoke monster episodes.
And we have semi-credits…
Ben approaches Elana and some others on the beach. They’re moving something in a big box. He offers help and they turn him down. One guy looks like a cross between Jimmy Kimmel and Seth Rogen. They’re acting suspcious. So much for Elana being just who she said she was.
Caesar tells Ben that he will have his back if Locke tries anything. Ben plays into Caesar’s suspicions about Locke. Ben notes that Caesar has the sawed-off shotgun from the office.
Years ago, on the island, Ben as a young man and a kid (Ethan) go into Danielle’s tent at night. Ben is going to shoot her, but takes Alex instead. He tells Danielle that if she follows him, he’ll kill the baby. He tells her that if she wants Alex to live, every time she hears whispers she’ll run the other way.
Note: Ethan seems desperate to prove himself to Ben. Now we know how Ethan came to be a part of The Others posing as DI when we first met him after being born DI. I brought that question up a few episodes ago.
Back to present, Ben is going through his office stuff when he finds a picture of him and Alex. Locke shows up and wants to know why Ben killed him. Ben said it was the only way to get them all back. He said he couldn’t have allowed Locke to hang himself because he had info Ben needed. Then he didn’t have time to talk Locke back into killing himself. It was all in the best interest of the island. Locke says, “I was just looking for an apology.”
Locke says he wants to help Ben get to the other island to be judged. If Ben really has the island’s best interest in mind, Locke is down with that.
Ben and Locke are about to take a boat to the other side when Caesar and two guys show up. He’s not gonna let them take the boat. Ben plays like Locke is forcing him. Locke is all, “What’s up with that?” When Caesar reaches for his gun, Ben has it and shoots Caesar in the chest.
DAYUM.
Ben and Locke arrive at the main island. Ben tells Locke that Sun and Lapidus were there before them and that Sun knocked him over the head. Locke wants to know if Sun also hurt Ben’s arm. No, that was someone else. Locke tells Ben he doesn’t believe he wants to be judged for breaking island rules, but rather for killing his daughter.
Back in the day, on the island, Ben reports back to a much older Charles and tells him that he didn’t kill Danielle and that he took Alex. Charles is pissed. Ben refuses to kill a child and says he doesn’t think it’s what Jacob wants. He tells Charles that if he wants the baby dead, he should do it. There’s mad respect in The Others’ eyes.
And that, ladies and gents, is how Ben became a Daddy.
In present time, Locke wants to know whose idea it was to live in the DI houses after he murdered them. Good question! Locke doesn’t think it’s something the island would want. Ben says that Locke has no idea what the island wants. Are you sure, Locke counters.
A light goes on in Ben’s house, in Alex’s room, and someone is walking around. Creepy! Ben goes to investigate. It’s Sun. Lapidus shows up. He gives Ben the picture from 1977. Ben wants to know who gave them the picture. They tell him Christian did and that he told Sun if she ever wanted to see Jin again, she’d have to go in Ben’s house and wait for John Locke. Ben instructs them to look outside. Locke waves like it ain’t no thang.
This whole back-from-the-dead business freaks Lapidus out. He wants Sun to go back to the other island with him. She wants to find Jin, so she’s staying. Lapidus is all, “Aight. That’s on you. Peace.” He throws up deuces and he’s out. Sun wants to know how to find Jin, but Locke tells her Ben has something to do first.
Ben goes into his closet and goes through the secret underground passageway. He reaches into a muddy water puddle and unclogs the drain. The water disappears down the drain. “I’ll be outside,” he says.
Back in the day… Ben is pushing Alex as a little girl on a swing. Richard approaches Ben and tells him the sub is about to leave. Ben says he has to see off whoever is leaving. It’s Charles. He tells Charles he came to say goodbye, but Charles says he came to gloat. Ben says he brought it all on himself by leaving the island regularly and having a daughter with an outsider. Charles tells Ben he couldn’t sacrifice Alex for the island, but Ben says it was Charles that wanted her dead not the island. Charles says that if he’s right, Alex will be dead eventually.
Present day… Locke goes off to do something, Sun doesn’t know what or where. Sun tells Ben that Jack must have lied about Locke being dead. Ben assures her that Locke was really dead. She wants to know if Ben knew Locke would come back. Ben tells her that “Dead is dead,” and the fact that Locke is walking around the island scares the hell out of him. They hear a noise and Ben warns Sun to go inside cause he can’t control what is going to come out of the jungle.
What comes out of the jungle is Locke. He says that if the smoke monster isn’t coming to them, they need to go to it. Ben says he doesn’t know where it is. Locke does.
It’s probably not a good idea to keep showing off to the man that killed you once, and is totally enamored with the island, that you know so much about said island. Just sayin’.
They head off.
On the mainland, before the flight to Guam, Ben calls Charles and tells him he’s going back to the island later that day. He says he’s going to kill Penny first. He’s at the marina. I told you! He hangs up on Charles.
Back on the island, Ben wants to know how Locke knows where he’s going. “I just do,” Locke says. Now Ben knows what it was like to be Locke all that time. Ben figures out that they’re going to the same place Ben was taken as a child, where he was healed. Ben says the wall was built to keep people like Sun and Locke from ever seeing their temple which is a half mile from there. Locke says they’re not going the temple, they’re going under it.
Ben asks Sun to tell Desmond he’s sorry if she ever makes it off the island. “Sorry for what?,” she wants to know. “He’ll know,” Ben tells her.
At the marina, Ben watches Penny and approaches, but walks right by Desmond who spots him. He shoots Desmond, but it’s not a very good shot. It looks like he shot the groceries more than anything else. Ben apologizes to Penny and tells her that her father is a bad man responsible for killing his daughter. Little Charlie comes out and Ben pauses. Penny pleads for her son’s life. Ben lowers the gun and then Desmond comes and beats dat ass. He pushes Ben in the water. Now we know how he hurt his arm and got all bloody when he called Jack and had him pick up Locke’s body.
Back on the island, Lapidus makes it back. A man tells him that Elana and three other men found guns and claim to be in charge now. Lapidus wants to know what’s going on. Elana asks him, “What lies in the shadow of the statue?”
Um, the well? The creepy temple with the smoke monster?
Obviously Elana and Jimmy Kimmel have an agenda. She orders Lapidus tied up. He’s going with them.
Under the temple, Ben and Locke make their way with torches. Ben admits that Locke was right about why Ben needed to be judged. He did kill Alex by not surrending and now he has to answer for it. He tells Locke he will go the rest of the way alone. Ben starts to tell Locke that he’ll meet him outside if he lives, but he falls through a hole Pitfall style. Lockes goes to find something to pull Ben out of the under-underground room he’s in.
Ben looks around. There’s hieroglyphics on pillars and the walls. Uh-oh. The staticy electro-sounds of the smoke monster can be heard. It comes up through holes in the floor. In the smoke, Ben sees his past with Alex inlcluding the moment he let her die. The smoke monster leaves and he turns to find Alex behind him. He apologizes to her. She grabs him and slams him against a pillar. She tells him she knows he plans to kill Locke again, and that if he touches him she will hunt him and destroy him. He is to listen and follow Locke. She makes him swear to it and then she’s gone.
Ok, NOW will you people believe me in that the island can only take the shape of people who are dead ON THE ISLAND? Eko’s brother, Christian, Alex, etc. Hurley sees (Eko, Charlie, and Ana Lucia who are dead on the island, but I think he may really see dead people and that it’s not the same as the others.)
Anyway, Locke calls down to Ben wanting to know what happened.
“It let me live.”
Episode 13 – Some Like It Hoth
An Asian woman looks at an apartment. Her son, Miles, wants money for a vending machine. He looks to be about five or six. He is drawn to another apartment where he finds a dead body. When his mother and the landlord come running, they find Miles with the body. He says he can hear the dead man talking to him.
On the island, in the 70′s, Sawyer calls Miles and tells him to get rid of the security footage from camera four. He doesn’t want anyone to see that he and Kate took Ben to The Others.
Before Miles can take the tape out, Horace comes in and tells Miles he wants to bring him into the circle of trust. (Since Lafleur -Sawyer- is MIA) He tells Miles to go out to territory 334 and meet Radzinski. He’s gonna give him something. 334 is hostile territory.
Miles gives Radzinski a body bag and Miles watches as some other DI guys put a body in it. Radzinski ain’t offering up details. The dead body has a hole in the head.
He tells Miles to take the body back to Horace and leaves. Miles asks the dead body, “Ok, so what really happened?”
Um, he couldn’t have pulled away for a few feet first?
And we have fake credits…
Young and rebellious Miles (we know this by all the face piercings) wants to see his dying mother. He wants to know how he does the things that he does. He asks her about his father and she tells him that his father is dead and that he never cared about them. Miles wants to know where his body is. “Somewhere you can never go.”
Back on the island, Horace tells Miles to bring the body to Dr. Chang at The Orchid. Before that, Horace was on the phone talking to someone and he says, “Pierre, if it was caused by the electromagnetism, we need to know.” He tells the person he’ll have someone bring it.
Do they think the guy was killed by EMP? Is the first inkling that they may need “the button?”
Miles goes to get his van, but Hurley is loading it up with lunch for the crew at The Orchid. Since that is where Miles is going he reluctantly lets Hurley tag along.
Kate goes back to the hospital and tells Juliet that Ben is with The Others. Roger shows up and freaks out to see Ben is gone. Juliet pretends that Ben disappeared while she wasn’t looking. Roger freaks out some more. He’s going to security.
“Well, here we go,” says Juliet.
On the way to The Orchid, Hurley is writing in a composition notebook. He wonders if Miles has farted. He is determined to find out what the bad smell is. Miles pulls over (why?) and Hurley finds the body bag. Miles tells Hurley that he’s Alvarez. Alvarez was digging a hole, and thinking about a girl named Andrea, when his filling blew through his head and killed him. When Hurley realizes that Miles can talk to the dead, he tells him that his secret is safe with him because Hurley can talk to the dead too.
Off the island, Miles is scamming some man who lost his son. He wants to know if his dead son knew he loved him. Miles says that his son always knew and then takes the man’s money. When Miles gets to his car, he’s approached by Naomi. Her employer is interested in his unique services. He follows her to a restaurant.
On the island, Kate sees Roger drinking on the swing set. She tries to comfort him by saying that she has a feeling Ben will be okay. Roger gets suspicious because Kate is stupid.
On their way to The Orchid, Miles can’t believe that Hurley can actually see the dead people he talks to. With Miles he only knows what they knew up until they died.
When they get to The Orchid, Dr. Chang is shitty that Hurley is there. Hurley opens his big mouth and says that he won’t tell anyone about the dead body. Chang tells him that if he does, he’ll have him shipped to Hydra Island where he’ll weigh polar bear turds for experiments. He orders the body taken inside and leaves. Hurley calls him a douche. Miles says, “That douche is my dad.”
Told you so! I called that from the opening of the season premiere.
Naomi takes Miles to an abandoned restaurant where there’s a dead body in the kitchen. She wants to know about him. Miles tells her the man was named Felix and he was on his way to deliver photos of empty graves and a purchase order for an old airplane to Widmore.
She tells him she’s leading an expedition to the island to look for a man. There are a bunch of dead bodies on the island that the man is responsible for. Miles says no… until she tells him he’ll be paid $1.6 million. Then he’s down for whatever.
Back on the island, Hurley wants to talk about the fact that Chang is Miles’ father. Miles doesn’t. He says he knew something was weird when he was on line for lunch and his mother got in line behind him. Chang wants them to take him to Radzinski.
Jack is cleaning up a classroom when Roger comes in. Jack is cleaning Roger’s rooms because he thought Roger might need a minute… you know, with the missing, shot, son. Roger voices his suspicions about Kate to Jack. Instead of talking him out of it, Jack admits that Kate is his friend and that she wouldn’t hurt Ben. Way to make him suspicious of BOTH OF YOU, Jack!
On the way to Radzinski, Hurley tries to get Chang to talk about his family. He points out that Miles has the same name as Chang’s son… which is his son. Chang seems kinda nice.
When they get there, Miles and Hurley wait in the van. One guy needs to know the serial number that goes on the hatch door. Hurley knows the last number. When Miles asks him how, Hurley says that they’re building the hatch that crashed their plane.
Off the island, Miles is walking down the street eating a fish taco (I really need to try one of those things!) when some guys in a van jump him and toss him in the van. Hey, it’s Jimmy Kimmel! He tells Miles that he doesn’t want to work for Widmore and he damn sure doesn’t want to take his ass to that island. He asks Miles if he knows what lies in the shadow of the statue. He doesn’t. He tells Miles that if he goes with them they can answer all his questions about his ability, his father, etc. Go with them!
Miles turns them down and they kick him to the curb… literally. Jimmy Kimmel tells him that he’s on the losing team and they speed off.
On the island, Hurley and Miles are headed back to camp and Hurley tells him that there will be an accident with the hatch they are building and they’ll have to install “the button.” Hurley thinks it’s great that Miles has a chance to get to know his Dad, but Miles doesn’t see it that way. He doesn’t want Hurley in his business. He snatches Hurley’s notebook and reads from it.
Hurley is writing The Empire Strikes Back… with a few improvements. He’s going to send it to George Lucas. Miles thinks it’s stupid. I think it’s hysterical.
Jack is at Juliet and Sawyer’s place when Sawyer gets home. He warns them that Roger is suspcious of Kate and leaves. Phil comes to Sawyer’s house and tells him that he knows who took Ben. He has the video. Sawyer invites him to explain and then knocks him out when he realizes that Phil hasn’t told anyone. He tells Juliet to get some rope.
Off the island, Miles goes back to the man he duped out of money. He admits that he lied about talking to his dead son. He tells the man that if he loved his son, he should have made sure his son knew when he was still alive. Dayum. That’s cold.
On the island, Hurley tells Miles about his issues with his father. He compares their Dad situations to Luke and Darth Vader. Hilarious! “Let’s face it, the Ewoks sucked, dude.”
Miles watches through the window as his father holds baby Miles. Hegot his little DI jumper on! How stinkin’ cute! Chang gets a call and kisses baby Miles before leaving. He sees big Miles and tells him they have to go meet a sub of scientists from Ann Arbor.
Dan is one of the scientists off the sub!
Next week, we get a Lost special. The tale of the Oceanic 6 from a whole new perspective.
Then we get a new episode, the 100th. Sides are chosen, some go, some fight. It’s on, bitches!
Thoughts, predictions, questions… share!







Nina is a 34-year-old mother, wife and writer who spends her days blogging, studying, changing diapers and watching ridiculous amounts of TV. She currently resides in Atlanta, Georgia, with her husband, two children and three TiVos.




asian women are petite and most of them are mild mannered compared to western women*`.
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LikeAsian women are cute and good mannered. they are very caring too.`**
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LikeOK I know I am jumping the gun here, but LOST was so AWESOME last night! I finally know what lies in the shadow of the statue..... Jacob "He who protects us all." I love it! Just sad now I have to wait another year for the END of the story. =(
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Likelate as usual..
time travel makes my head hurt...have you been watching Terminator Sarah Connor? John Connor just time traveled ahead and met his dad...so does that mean that he didnt grow up to be a leader but time traveled there?
As for Miles...how can he see his dad kiss himself as a baby...something needs to implode right!
I cant even watch Heroes anymore....
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LikeThank you for your updates nina. =)
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LikeNo prob.
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LikeThis is not Lost related but is post related. Fish tacos are amazing. Have been hooked on the ones at Del Taco lately. Don't knows if you guys have those over there or if they're just a california thing. They are not authentic at all but are cheap and delicious.
oh! and am still waiting to hear where else i can get your favorite gelato. i suppose i could just look here online!
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LikeOH! Check Ciao Bella's website and put in your zip code.
We find them at Whole Foods, a Farmer's Market, and this local kitchen supply/baked goods store.
My favorite flavor is Blood Orange.
Another good brand is Talenti. The raspberry is delicious!
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Likeblast-now i have to decide if i want to get out of my day off pjs and drive to the new whole foods that just opened up kind of close to here. i know if i go i'll buy more than just the ice cream though. (kind of like when i visit trader joes for one thing) whole foods is yummy!! I have seen the blood orange flavor at safeway-they just have 2-3 flavors there.
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LikeWhole Foods gets their produce from heaven. For reals.
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Like"Roger gets suspicious because Kate is stupid." - this had me rolling. Also, the caption "Yum" under Sawyer's picture.....okkkkkkkkkkaaaaaayyy! I agree. :)
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Like"Some Like it Hoth"
1. Confirmation of Chang being Miles' father was nice. I think we all figured that out immediately when the season started. I love how he figured it out, though. "My mom was on line behind me..." haha
2. So Widmore was an Other and Miles is the spawn of DI...did Widmore and peeps know this when Naomi recruited him? Interesting dynamic...
3. Why does Miles have a power? Yeah, he was born on the Island, but so was Charlotte, and she didn't have one. She was super smart, but no power. We're not sure yet if Daniel (again, no power just super duper smart) was born on the island, but Hawking was an Other and not DI, where as Charlotte and Miles were DI babies. My head hurts.
4. Miles telling Radzinksi "I'm in the circle of trust." cracked me up!
5. I totally missed the Jimmy Kimmel guy being the guy on island and the guy who snatched Miles. So there's now a third faction involved? Jesus H. Christ! My head really hurts. Who is this third group and where do they fit in? We have Widmore vs. Ben, which really becomes Other vs. Other since Ben defected from DI and became The Others' leader. That still leaves us with DI...is this third group somehow part of the DI? Have they been around all these decades trying to get the island back? Looking for revenge for the purge? What is going on??
6. Kate seems to have forgotten during her 3 years off island how to be sneaky and devious and not arousing suspicion. Idiot.
7. Shit's hitting the fan now! Sawyer is caught on video by Phil and knocks his ass out...Ruh Roh!!! This is NOT going to go down well.
8. DANIEL!!! I had a feeling he would be getting off that sub as soon as Chang said the word "scientists", but it still was an awesome reveal for me! Can't even wait to see how that went down. So now we know how Daniel comes to be DI since we did see him in the first epi (same epi we called Chang's baby as Miles) working on a DI station. But I thought he was a laborer of sorts, low on the totem pole, and NOT a scientist! My head really, really hurts.
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LikeI don't know where to start...so I'll just go with the flow. Maybe two posts, one for each episode.
"Dead is Dead"
1. So again we are told that Ben is chosen, therefore special. Young Widmore being all sorts of pissy about little Ben being there and saving him, because it's what Jacob wants, leads me to think that now Widmore is shaking in his Other boots. He now knows he has got some competition. Sort of like how Ben was regarding Locke. What's interesting to me is how Ben and Widmore become enemies working on different sides (different sides of WHAT?) as the years progress. Flashing ahead to Widmore being banished from the Island was certainly not enough info for me!
2. We've also learned that Ben has a thing for children. No, not in a perverse way, but in a "protect the children" kind of way. Way back when, he couldn't kill Rousseau because she's a mom, and steals her daughter to make his own in what I assume as a way of giving the baby a good life. Years later, he suddenly can not kill Penny when he sees lil Charlie...Does this have something to do with The Others stealing the Flight 815 children as well? Since Widmore said that if he was right, Alex will die anyway, does this mean that maybe as Ben's punishment for keeping her the island no longer allows babies to be born there? Is this why children are cherished and stolen? Gah...
3. Interesting to note that Widmore tells Ben that if he was right, then Alex will die anyway. Seems he was right...did the island want Alex dead? Or am I missing something?
4. And I guess we know that although Penny is Widmore's daughter, she was never on the island, not even as a baby, since he had a daughter with an "outsider". Just who is Penny's mom?
5. I almost shit a brick when Ben shot Desmond. I need more Desmond!
6. I've always believed, and thought so myself, that the island somehow takes control of those that died on the island. Alex proves that theory, right? And now the island is using this power to convince Ben to listen to Locke and do as he says by having his dead daughter beat it into him. Why did Smoky let him live? Ben still has a purpose, methinks.
7. All of this hieroglyphics and ancient Egyptian type stuff is starting to be a bit too reminicent of Stargate and that bugs me. This best not all be explained by aliens in ancient Egypt or some shit! That, to me, is worse than the original purgatory theories that were immediately debunked.
I think I'm done with this epi...my mind isn't working today.
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LikeI think Ben's soft spot w/ kids comes from his father's treatment of him.
I agree that the island letting him live has nothing to do with forgiveness. I think it just knows he is going to serve a bigger purpose and it still needs him. A la Michael blowing up with the freighter.
I don't like that alien/Egyptian angle either.
Damon Lindelof is on Twitter right now answering Lost questions.
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LikeDo you have a Lost search on tweetdeck? The talk the last few days has been that the statue is of Richard and that he's an Egyptian pharoah. If that IS true, I'm not sure I like that angle either...
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LikeI still can't believe Jack was clapping erasers!
Yeah, yeah. He was trying to help a brother out, but still...
Oh, how the mighty have fallen!
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LikeI always believed you (and agreed that) the island takes the shape of people that have died on the island, and about Miles being Chang's son. And that you were right about Ben going after Penny. (So glad that didn't work out so well for him.)
Thank God for your blog, because I have to tell you I totally did not notice that the van guy (Jimmy Kimmel) was the guy on the island. I never paid that much attention to him. I have noticed they seem hinky. Like, they don't seem freaked out at all, they don't appear to be doing survival-y things like building shelters and looking for food - or a way off the island. They seem like they have a mission.
The whole Hurley/Miles/Chang thing was hilarious, especially the Star Wars part. And the look Miles gave his dad when he said he liked country music - priceless.
I am dying to know more about this "what lies in the shadow of the statue" business.
ooh, and I got chills when Daniel got off the sub, too. Especially when he greeted Miles. How did he get there and know when to find them?
Also, fish tacos are awesome and you should totally try one. And Miles is cute.
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LikeDaniel was with them the whole time they were time traveling, remember? But the night that Horace told Sawyer they could stay till the sub came back he saw Charlotte as a little girl and that was the last we saw him in the 70's. Now, it would seem that he either left w/ DI ppl to go to Ann Arbor because of his scientific knowledge... well, that's all I got.
This is Nina on Donny's laptop.
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LikeThat still helped me ;) I was having trouble remembering exactly when/where was the last time we saw him... it was like he just disappeared.
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LikeDan saying hello to Miles when he got off the sub, gave me the chills.
Okay now I am off to some worky work politicking stuff.
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