Lost – Season 5 Epi. 8: LaFleur
March 6, 2009 by nina
Filed under Lost Season 5
Previously on Lost: Daniel explains that the island is dislodged from time after Ben spun the donkey wheel. Charlotte dies after the last flashy lights. Locke tells Sawyer that he has to bring back the O6 in order to get the flashy lights to stop.
And now…
Sawyer holds on to the rope after Locke dropped down into the well and the flashy lights stopped. He’s freaking out and Juliet says that whenever they are is before the well was built. Miles points out it must be way before and points to the big statue!
In season two, this is all we’d seen of the staute:
We get to see it from the back this time, and damn it’s both awesome and creepy as hell!
What is that in it’s hands? Who is it a statue of? Jacob? Locke? Sexy ass Richard? AGH!
We are backtracked a bit as Locke spins the wheel. The last of the flashy lights occur taking Locke off the island. The well is back, but it’s closed up with rocks and debris. Everyone comments that the last flashy lights thing felt different and they don’t feel sick afterwards. They realize that whenever they are, they are there to stay and Sawyer says they will wait for their friends to return for as long as it takes.
Ok, so Ben turning the wheel started the time movement and then the wheel was stuck. Locke spinning it again moved the island in time again and it also corrected the problem of time jumping because the wheel isn’t stuck anymore? We know that when he travels he ends up 3 years after the O6 left the island and that it only took him a short while to get the O6 to come back.
Anyway…
Three years later, in one of the Dharma stations a guy named Jerry is dancing with a girl. His partner comes in and says if LaFleur finds out they’re in there dancing, he’s gonna be pissed. They notice someone on the monitors out by the security poles throwing dynamite. They tell the girl to leave. They don’t want to wake LaFleur at 3a.m. to tell him about Horace (dynamite guy), but they know he’ll be pissed if they don’t. They rush to LaFleur’s house. LaFleur is Sawyer! He grabs his Dharma jumpsuit labeled, “LaFleur – Head of Security” and rushes out.
Sawyer (I ain’t calling him LaFleur) picks up Miles from his house and they head off to get Horace. Sawyer says they’re gonna keep it on the downlow that Horace is off drunk by the security pylons. He leaves Miles to put out the small fire Horace caused with the dynamite while he takes Horace (who is passed out) home to Amy.
Amy and Horace had a fight. Amy is really pregnant. They fought about Paul. Before she can say more, she goes into labor.
Three years earlier, Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, and Miles come across Daniel mumbling in the woods. He keeps saying that he’s not gonna do it, he’s not gonna tell her. Charlotte is dead, he tells them. Her body disappeared with the last flash. Daniel confirms that wherever they are, they’re there for good.
Sawyer wants to head back to the beach figuring that’s where Locke will show up when he gets back with the others. Miles thinks it’s a dumb plan, but he follows anyway. Juliet has Sawyer’s back, even though she agrees it’s a dumb plan. They’re headed to the beach when they hear gunshots.
They come across two men holding a woman at gunpoint. They put a sack over her head. There’s a dead man on the ground next to picnic stuff. Miles debates whether they should get involved and Daniel is kinda indifferent; whatever happened, already happened.
Sawyer approaches and Juliet has his back. One of the men turns to shoot Sawyer, but Juliet takes him out. Sawyer pauses long enough to look at his gun like, “Did I do that?,” and almost gets shot again! He recovers from his stupidity long enough to kill the guy first. When they remove the sack from the woman’s head its Amy! (Reiko from One Life to Live! She was also on 24.)
“Who are you people?,” she wants to know.
Based on their jumpsuits, Juliet figures they’re in the time of the Dharma folks in the 70′s or 80′s. Before her time. Amyfreaks out because the truce between The Others and the DI has been broken. They have to bury The Others before they leave and take the dead guy’s (her husband Paul) body back to the DI camp.
As they head there, Sawyer says he’s gonna convince the DI people they were on a boat to Tahiti when they crashed. Juliet stops Daniel from walking through the security pylons. Juliet demands that Amy turn them off. At first she pretends she doesn’t know what Juliet means, but eventually shuts them off. She walks through them first to prove they are safe. When the rest walk through, they are overcome with the sound and pass out. Amy takes ear plugs out of her ears.
Three years later...
Amy is giving birth, but the baby is breached. They don’t know what to do because the women always deliver on the mainland and Amy is two weeks early. Sawyer rushes off to a garage of some sort where Juliet and others are working on vans. Juliet is scared to try and help Amy because the other women she tried to help have babies on the island died. Sawyer says that maybe what caused that hasn’t happened yet. Juliet agrees to help.
Sawyer steps outside the delivery room and meets up with Jin. They’ve apparently been looking for signs of their friends return all this time, but Jin tells him they didn’t find anything that day. Juliet delivers the baby boy successfully. Wonder who he’ll grow up to be???
Three years ago…
Sawyer wakes up at the DI camp and Horace grills him about what they’re doing on the island. Sawyer lies about them being shipwrecked on their way to Tahiti. He says they were on a salvage ship searching for the old slave ship, “The Black Rock.” Sawyer claims they are looking for some of their friends that were with them. Horace says they will be put on a sub leaving the island tomorrow and if their friends show up, they’ll send them on after them.
Outside, Juliet tells Miles and the rest that in the future, she lived in one of the houses at the camp for three years. Miles asks if she were DI and she tells him that The Others took over the DI camp after killing most of the DI people living there. She was brought over by sub after that. Jin confirms with Daniel that there’s no more flash. Daniel says the record is spinning, but they’re not on the song they want to be on. He then sees Charlotte as a little girl. He stares her and I really hope this doesn’t get weird.
Sawyer starts to tell them about the sub taking them to Tahiti when an alarm sounds. Everyone starts running indoors and Horace ushers them to a house. They look out the window and see Richard Alpert stroll up looking all young and sexy. Again.
“Uh oh, ” Sawyer says.
Horace meets Richard. Richard mentions that the security pylons can’t keep them (the Others) out. Richard wants to know where his two men are. Horace comes in the house and asks Sawyer how well they buried the bodies. Cause if Richard finds those bodies, it’s ON! Sawyer insists on going out there to talk to Richard.
When he does, he admits that he killed his two men. He explains what happened and says it was self defense. Richard wants to know if his people know that Sawyer is telling him this. Sawyer admits that he’s not with the DI. He then asks about the Jughead bomb, and tells him he knows about Locke approaching him 20 years ago claiming to be their leader before he disappeared. Sawyer says he’s waiting for Locke to come back. Richard believes that Sawyer isn’t with the DI, but his people will still need justice for their two men.
Horace asks Amy if they can give up Paul to The Others, but says that if she doesn’t want to, they are willing to suffer the consequences. She asks for a minute alone with Paul’s body before allowing him to be taken. She takes a necklace with an ankh (Egyptian symbol, Egyptian looking statue… hmmm) on it from his body. Horace says that Sawyer and his friends can stay for two weeks longer, until the sub returns, and look for their friends.
Sawyer goes to the pier and tells Juliet. Juliet says that she’s going to leave on the sub the next day. She has spent 3 years on the island and wants off. Saywer says it’s 1974 and that whatever she thinks is out there, isn’t. He doesn’t want her to go. She agrees to stay for the two weeks that the sub will be gone.
Three years later…
Sawyer is walking around the DI camp all comfortable and stuff. He picks a flower and enters a house. Juliet is cooking. They’re all kissy kissy and lovey lovey! Nooooo! I don’t want Sawyer to be with anybody but me. Did I say that out loud? They’re in love and Sawyer is semi-clean shaven. I don’t like this at all. (Even though I totally told Donny at the end of last season that Sawyer and Juliet would hook up.)
Sawyer is with Horace when he awakens from his drunken slumber. Sawyer tells him that Amy gave birth. Horace admits that he and Amy fought over Paul’s necklace that he found in her drawer. He wonders if three years is enough time to get over someone and if Amy really loves him. Sawyer says he loved a girl once that he couldn’t stop thinking about. Now, three years later, he can barely remember what she looks like.
The next morning, Juliet and Sawyer are in bed when he gets a call from Jin. He rushes out to meet Jin who arrives in a Dharma van with Jack, Hurley, and Kate.
Thoughts:
1. Where the hell was Daniel in 1977? We know he had to be around. We know he’s there when the donkey wheel is discovered.
2. If the whole length of time exposed to the island determined the order in which the nosebleeds start thing was true, we have to assume that if Miles younger self isn’t already on the island, he will be soon because Charlotte was already there in 1974.
3. It still doesn’t make sense to me how Charlotte could have a memory of Daniel telling her not to go to the island before it even happened… UNLESS, she got that memory just as Locke left and him leaving was all that was needed to set them on the course to be on the island in the 70′s, but that’s a stretch.
4. It would seem like what they said last week was accurate. The O6 returning wasn’t about stopping the island from jumping, it’s about them being integral to whatever shit is about to go down when this “war” starts. Because it seems that Ben leaving the island via wheel is what started the jumping, and Locke doing the same stopped it.
5. Richard Alpert in the 50′s = nice clothes. Richard Alpert in 1974 = nice clothes. Richard Alpert years later when Ben meets him in woods = Tarzan. Why?
6. At the start of the season, the Asian doctor was making the video for The Arrow’s orientation. He said to the person, “Given your level of expertise…” Who was that video for? Sawyer as LeFleur, someone else? The Arrow is obviously about defense per the name and tonight’s episode. Also, he mentioned in the video the island’s, “hostile and indigenous people.”
What do you have?










Nina is a 34-year-old mother, wife and writer who spends her days blogging, studying, changing diapers and watching ridiculous amounts of TV. She currently resides in Atlanta, Georgia, with her husband, two children and three TiVos.




I am finally up to speed. Maybe it's shock-locke-shell.
the only thing I know is that seeing Reiko is bothering me like hell...
oh and Julia or whatever her name is...god with that face she's either michael jackson or a victim of botox.
I can't watch her.
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LikeGreat episode, and not just because it featured lots of Sawyer.
I definitely don't want to see Kate with Sawyer... and she doesn't deserve Jack either.
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LikeI was a little distracted while watching this episode, so I'll have to check it out again in a day or two. But I've still got some thoughts...
- I totally called it on the whole crew working for DI in the '70's. Allow me my brief moment of "That's what I'm talkin' 'bout". :)
- I did a total "Holy shit!" on seeing that statue. I get this vibe that it's one of those weird things that have recurred in history, such as the fact that there is a sphinx (in both name and appearance) in both Egyptian and Greek mythology with those two cultures having had no contact with each other at that point in history. Or the aesthetics and architecture of Egyptian and Aztec pyramids.
- Re. the sonic fence. I could totally walk right through that shit without earbuds. They need to get a deaf motherfucker on that there spooky island. :)
As for your thoughts...
1. I'm sure Daniel is around. Considering everybody seems to be doing jobs for DI right now that are very unlike what they used to do back in the day, I wouldn't be surprised if he's working for them elsewhere on one of the new (at that time) DI stations.
Off-topic, but how fuckin' brilliant of Sawyer was it to claim they were just looking for the Black Rock when they were stranded? Smart move, con man.
2. I suspect Charlotte's early symptoms has something to do with the extra-special abilities I theorized her having last week. I find it impossible to believe that Miles' being born on the island and the fact that he's all Ghost Whisperer cannot be coincidental. Ergo, I still posit that Charlotte's got skills we haven't seen blatantly in play yet... and I stress YET.
3. It makes sense to me that Charlotte has a memory of meeting Daniel back in the the day because it happened back in *HER* day. It just hasn't happened to Daniel yet. But it will because SHE remembered it. As such, we'll be seeing her again, just like we saw her as a cute little redhead in the '70's.
4. I think the "war" that's been referred to is more about Ben and Widmore's rivalry than anything else (or The Others and DI, for that matter). They each see themselves as good and the other as evil. And considering the supernatural nature of the island, they all consider it practically a holy war of sorts.
I do believe the wheel is only part of the time-shifting phenomenon. I think there's a more specific means of jumping off the island to the mainland in terms of the necessity for accurate jumping to specific times. I have a feeling something in those ruined temples we've been seeing more and more parts of have something to do with it.
5. Because Richard left the island frequently in the 70's and 80's for recruiting purposes and such (as had "Mr. Friendly", let's not forget him), he probably had the chance to get new clothes more often. But if he hadn't been off the island for a very long time and was not around the newer DI facilities (with washer/dryers) - no more nice new clothes.
6. The Arrow, being the offensive station of DI, may be where the smoke monster was designed and came from. I have a theory.... Imagine if Daniel, doing whatever work he's doing for DI in the 70's, is the inventor of the smoke monster (and maybe the sonic fence too) and the person Dr. Candle was referring to in his video is none other than Daniel himself? He has more scientific cred than most people we've seen on LOST, so it's not so out of the realm of possibility... but then again, on this show, what is?
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Like"- Re. the sonic fence. I could totally walk right through that shit without earbuds. They need to get a deaf motherfucker on that there spooky island. :)"
Chad, I totally wouldn't be surprised if that DOES happen, since you seem to typically come upon the truest of theories! However, I did crack up...maybe you are the key to LOST! :)
1. As for Daniel...well, I think that when we saw him working for the DI when they found the beginnings of the donkey wheel was a precursor to the whole time-traveling aspect of the island. What if Daniel is the one who figures all that stuff out, allowing for his mother, Eloise Hawking, to now have all of that information ("a very smart man" or some shit) to know when the perfect time to crash on the island would be? I think Daniel wasn't shown in that episode for a reason...he is going to get his own epi where we see what he's been up to for those 3 years on the island with DI.
2. Charlotte ain't done for just yet! There's more to her than we know...that I agree with!
I do believe that Miles and Daniel are already born in 1977 (as Charlotte is and should be around her age). The question is: are they currently on the island as their kid selves? Or were they NOT born on the island but brought there? I still maintain that Miles isn't exactly from Encino...and is last name may be Candle.
3. All this time-traveling stuff makes my mind mushy for the most part, but at this moment (2 glasses of wine...) that all makes perfect sense. But how can it be HER memory in the '70s if he hadn't been there yet? That I can't understand.
4. That's probably true. Ben and Widmore / The Others and DI have a huge feud that no matter what happens in space and time to change things, will ALWAYS be and will ALWAYS need to be dealt with until, well, until it's dealt with.
And I agree...because how else was Richard Alpert jumping to Locke and Juliette?
5. Makes sense to me.
6. I agree with Nina that that orientation video scene was Dr. Candle speaking to Sawyer. Especially because Goodspeed said pretty much the same words to Sawyer about not having the expertise to be a DI member...
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LikeMaybe the statue is Kate. (Too nice an ass for Locke.)
Daniel is obviously #7.
All it takes is ear plugs to defeat the security fence?
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LikeYes...just where is smokey? I am both excited and sad to see how it all ends. I think that maybe this is a do-over for the island. A chance to set wrongs right.
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LikeI hope Kate doesn't end up with Sawyer again. Great episode!
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LikeI agree on both counts. I love the way they weaved the story and Juliet, Sawyer, Miles, and Jin three years ahead seemed very natural. Although, I'm not sure what Miles' motivation to stay would have been... perhaps exactly what Sawyer said to Juliet, "What are you going to do in 1974?!" If they left the island they definitely have no chance of ever being "current" again so you might as well stay on the island.
I wonder if this "war" Widmore alluded to is a do-over of the war Ben waged when he betrayed the DI.
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LikeThe war as a do-over to the DI extermination that Ben perpetrated is an awesome theory, based on SPOILER ALERT the fact that I read they will be stuck in the '70s for a while...
Wait, that doesn't make sense, does it? If Ben was a child in the '70s and they will be in the '70s for a while doesn't jive with Ben being an adult and exterminating the DI. I love how this show boggles my mind.
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Likefirst can i just say how happy i am that Lost has redemed itself...it was horrible there for a season or so..but its back on track
have i mentioned that time travel makes MY head hurt?
I think that the baby is the boyfriend of Alex...I think the island brings dead people back to life which is why Christian ( Jack's dad )is there. I think Kate is too fucked up to love anyone properly and she better leave James alone..
I want Echo back...and Charlie
and its 2 more hours to BSG Yipppeee
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LikeI forgot about him, (Alex's boyfriend), but I think he's too young to have been born in 1977.
I was even wondering if he might be Jacob, but I think Jacob is strictly tied to the island/The Others, and doubt he came from DI. Plus, I'm sure he'd have been around long before 1977.
That statue was both the coolest and creepiest thing I've seen in awhile. If not for the flashy lights, I'd have totally investigated that if I were them.
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LikeI initially was thinking Alex's boyfriend, too, but it can't be him. To be born in 1977, this baby would have to be about 30 in the "3 years later" scenarios...meaning 27 in 2004, the LOST year we were introduced to Alex and the b/f.
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LikeMy thoughts are that the "war" that they are talking about could possibly be the purge. With LaFluer as head of security now, I think that Ben doesn't have as great of a chance of doing this than with those other "security" men that were shown in the last episode who apparently didn't take their job so seriously.
So, will they have the ability to change the past, or have they already? I am pretty certain that Daniel will NOT tell Charlotte to leave the island unless her life is in danger at that time.
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LikeGood point.
I also want to know when the smoke monster came to be. With Sawyer and the others having lived as DI for three year, has it come up?
OH, ALSO, we know that when Ben comes along he's going to eventually turn on the DI people. Juliet and the rest know this, so what in the world will happen when young Ben arrives?
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