College Chronicles: I Don’t Play

January 25, 2009 by  
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I am so annoyed that my hands shake as I type this.

I’m taking a Biology class, and it’s accompanying lab, online. Each week the quizzes, homework, and other assignments for the lecture are due on Friday and the lab materials are due on Monday.

This past week, the last anyone had heard from the instructor was on Tuesday the 20th.  During the week, several students had expressed confusion over the materials, assignments, and due dates. And even though in the syllabus the instructor requests that we address all concerns on the message boards (so that when she answers for one, she is potentially helping several), she never responded. At some point I helped another student:

I just stopped on my hw. I couldnt understand the graph on12.1. Before I answered any more questions I need to understand how to interpret it. For ex: I only see one column of era’s listed, but she ask for different era’s. Plus I cant figure out how to determine when the abudance is high or low, and where that figure comes from. I studied till I couldnt stand it any longer ha! Any help from anyone would be most appreciated.

Diana

Diana,

This is what I think you want to do. Anyone who disagrees, please feel free to correct me.

Ok, looking at the graph on page 148…

Let’s take Eurypterids for first example. The graph goes from oldest to newest from bottom to top. So, that white area surrounding the Eurypterids is what you’re you looking at and the bottom point of it is when they first appeared. Looking over to the left you see that they first appeared in the Cambrian period and looking further left, you see it was during the Paleozoic era. Now as the white area goes upward, notice how it gets wider? Wherever it’s the widest is where the Eurypterids were the most abundant. I think it’s widest in the Silurian period (though she only asks for eras) and looking further left it’s still within the Paleozoic era. Now, if the white area stops at a point that means it’s extinct. As this one does. You see that the point is right at the line that marks the beginning of the Carboniferous period, and again, still within the Paleozoic era.

Now, look at the insects on the same graph. They first came about where their white area starts looking bottom to top. So, they began right at the start of the Carboniferous period and within the Paleozoic era. See how wide it is up top? They seem to have been most abundant in the Cenozoic era and because the white area doesn’t end in a peak before the graph ends, they’re not extinct, but extant.

I hope that makes sense, and I’ve interpreted this wrong, again, anyone feel free to correct me.

Diana, if you want to go over another example here to confirm that you got it, I’m game. Oh, and you read figure 12.2 the same way.

Nina

So, the week goes on without any word from the instructor. On Friday night I began working on the week’s assignment (Chapter 15) which was due on Saturday by midnight.  By this point I had not only called her during her office hours (and gotten no response), but I also had emailed her… again, no response. Fed up on Friday night, I posted this to the message board with the subject, “Very Frustrated.”

1. There is still no word on if we are to turn in the table we filled out using the image bank from the lab exercise, and if so, how we should go about doing that. Those who tried to attach it to an email were told that was wrong.

2. I read Chapter 15, went through the study guide and both PowerPoint presentations. Then I did the practice quiz. There were at least four questions on there clearly marked “Chapter 18″ with words and phrases not covered in chapter 15.

3. I just did the homework for Chapter 15 and again the fill in the blank questions were vague and hard to understand. There were grammatical errors that seriously affected what your answer might be. One question on directional, stabilizing, and disruptive selection was worded in such a way that it could have literally applied to two answers.

4. I read the lab chapter covering the same material, but the activities for that lab are not yet available under the learning module so that was only a small help.

I’ve tried reaching out to other students, and everyone else seems just as lost. If there are those out there on top of things, they’re not responding. We never got the study group chat room. There are no responses to our inquiries on the discussion boards, and my email and phone calls (during office hours) have not been returned.

I really do not want to log in tomorrow and flunk the Chapter 15 quiz because things aren’t clear, and any attempts at receiving clarification have gone unanswered. I took a lot of time out from four other classes, plus a five month old that’s not sleeping through the night, to study this chapter and it’s very frustrating to feel like you’re not going to do well. According to the syllabus, Mrs. Smith doesn’t check iCollege on the weekends except once on Sunday, yet everything is due by midnight tomorrow.

Yes, very frustrated. And now iCollege is going down in eight minutes until tomorrow morning. Perfect. Anyone who can provide any assistance is welcome to email me at my personal email nina@blogitoutb.com

This post received more than 20 responses from students who all agreed with me and expressed their frustrations. The same students who had been voicing concerns all week.

The instructor FINALLY logged on today (Sunday) and started responding first to the many comments on the lab’s discussion board.  She thanked me for helping Diana, she addressed concerns that were now moot because students had submitted work for the deadline.  She even posted a new thread saying she appreciated the comments because it showed that we were actively involved. I responded thanking her for recognizing that and even said that I understood that just like this wasn’t the only class most of us were taking, I’m sure it wasn’t the only class she was teaching.

I shouldn’t have been so nice. So, I logged into the lecture next and found this response to my “Very Frustrated” post:

Nina,

I know that this is easy to do, but I think that for comments like this. You should go to mail. I will not make any judgements about anything until I check the assignments submitted. If changes need to be made, I certainly will make suggestions or alterations.

I do know that if you do your homework assignments well, you will do on the tests.

Suppose you made 96 on the assignment? Then you have spent all of this energy for naught. And then brought on more confusion in the class.

I have seen you be very positive on other responses, I expect that from you in the future also.

For the others behind you. I will not make any comments. If you need to vent, and have concerns, we can talk personally. You can call my office at (insert number from which she doesn’t return calls here.) If I am not there please leave your telephone number so I can call you. Thanks for your cooperation.

Yes. She. Did.

The 96 she is referring to is my grade on the quiz for Chapter 15 in which she had questions for a chapter not assigned. Yes, I did well despite her mess of an exam.

Then I checked my email and found this email from her with the subject: “Chaos.”

Nina,


Please do not create chaos in my class. If you need to talk to me personally, please consider calling me at (useless number here.) I will call you back if I am not there.

YES. SHE. DID.

So then, I said…

I really don’t see how I caused any chaos or confusion. As stated in the syllabus, we were encouraged to voice questions and concerns in the message boards as they may be shared by several students and when you addressed them, that would ensure they were addressed for all.

All week there had been confusion as many students were voicing their questions and concerns to no response. Confusion and frustration that had nothing to do with me. As you noted in the lab discussion, I even helped other students when I was able to get a grasp on material others hadn’t.

I really don’t think it’s fair that I am being singled out in your online response when there’s a week’s worth of other students also voicing frustration and it is clearly encouraged in the syllabus. Why were the other students who responded not singled out?

I think it is completely reasonable to expect students to address concerns about vague questions, questions that seem to come from other chapters, and clarification on submission requirements in the message boards.

I did call you, I did email, and didn’t receive an answer until today, 24 hours after the material was due. My reaching out was not to cause confusion or chaos, or even criticize, it was done because I pay good money for these classes and I take my grades seriously. I don’t believe in asking questions after the deadlines. I had one bad experience with an online class and was advised by the department head to always voice such concerns ahead of time and in the open. I thought your policy listed in the syllabus supported the same. I guess I was wrong.

In the future, I will keep any questions or concerns I have over the material to emails or phone calls.

Thank you,

Nina

She JUST responded:

If you did well on the assignments, would you be fair enough to apologize to the students for causing such as uproar. Because again all was for naught.

Maybe we should meet with the dean and discuss our issues. We have a long way to go this semester, and I am not willing to communicate with you in a hostile manner each day.

Again, if you have personal issues, please call me on the phone, so that we can resolve issues in an appropriate manner.

I’m trying really hard not to lose my shit. For real.  My response?

I don’t understand why I would need to apologize. One, I didn’t cause anything. Again, there are days and days of comments from other students voicing frustrations before I wrote one word on the message boards. My comment went up at five minutes to ten p.m. on Friday night. Students were complaining from Tuesday. How did I cause that? Secondly, I did well because I studied.  I did well despite having to guess on questions in a chapter 15 quiz that were clearly labeled chapter 18.

We can definitely meet with the dean because of the fact that you equate asking questions in an open forum, as encouraged in the syllabus, and disagreeing with you in private with being hostile.

This is so far from personal. I am actually enjoying the material, and just want to make sure that what’s expected on exams, quizzes, homework, etc., is fair, clear, and consistent.

It’s really regrettable that you find this exchange hostile and personal, because it’s truly not on my part. I just honestly did not understand how I was labeled the “cause” of confusion that started before I said anything, AND managed to help others when I did.

I’ve never had to schedule a conference with a dean, so if there’s something I need to do on my part, just let me know.

Thank you,

Nina

Am I wrong? Seriously… tell me if I am.

I think she’s just mad because I said whatever everyone else had been saying, but prettier.

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So Nina, now that the semester is done, howd this class go with the miserable jerky incompetent professor? lol

The dean will side with you. You were beyond professional and she was absentee when she shouldn't have been. Can you say F-I-R-E-D and S-C-A-R-E-D?

That would be why she wanted you to let the class know so they all don't gang up on her-- after all it is just ONE teacher... and lots of students in the class. The best part, you have EVERY message sent and received.

Go Nina Go! BTW, I LoOoOoOved the way you handled this.

You should ask other students to email you with information, like if they had emailed her or called her with no response, and present those to the dean as further evidence that she's failing to do her job.

Ahh, this past weekened the same thing happened to me and i emailed my teacher aswell cause she posted a quiz for one chapter [10] and labeled it 9 and ofcourse i sucked at it cause we werent even in that area yet. She did the same with the assignments. The chapter we were on was about Sexuality [health class] but the test and assignment was on fertility.
All the teacher said was thanks for the note. Instead of apologizing cause i failed the test... but its okay one test wont bring my grade down but still check what you post first and be consistent with your class.

I've taken many online classes and actually I'm taking another one this semester. Let me just say that if my current professor said ANYTHING like that to me I would be all over meeting with a Dean. Hell, I'd probably go to the Dean without her ass and I'd bring along printed out copies of all my e-mail exchanges with her and even offer to sign in to iCollege to show how many other people were just as confused and frustrated BEFORE you ever said anything. There's no way you caused "chaos" in her freakin' online class. Maybe SHE is the one with the personal problem here, not you! Good luck and keep us updated on this!!! I have a feeling we will be reading about how you made this woman look like an idiot in front of the Dean. She really has no idea what kind of issues she has just created for herself... I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. LOL

What happened? I am behind. You totally need to remind her that YOU are paying for this.

I think she's just mad, because I have a feeling you're "Very Frustrated" post was seen by the Dean and/or was forwarded on. You can't be the only one voicing concerns, and most likely, the other parties did so through other channels.

In other words, what I assume happened is, in dealing with the frustrations of not being responded to, other classmates took other steps such as contacting the school and directed them to the message boards. Your post, because it was articulated clearly and outlined the concerns exactly, is probably what was used by administrators to address this teacher, and therefore, you are being singled out. It's not fair. Nor is her reaction by any means professional.

I encourage you to meet with the Dean. I doubt she'll show for the meeting or that she'll further suggest it. I think it was a scare tactic on her part, but if not, be prepared with documentation of the date and time of the phone calls to her office... and bring copies of your emails, both to her and her responses, clearly showing the dates of your emails.

I hope it goes well for you and that you can remain calm in the meeting.

I feel you on this one. I hope you do meet with the dean. There is proof to everything.

Last semester I took MicroEconomics with an instructor that should have been fired. For one, I go to school on the coast of NC. I live in the mountains of NC so there was no way for me to meet with her in person. By the end of one of the most difficult and furstrating classes I had 15, yes 15 assignments that had not been graded. I e-mailed, I called, I even called other admistrators trying to get an answer to the questions I had. I luckily made a B in that class. A very hard earned one at that.

WOW. I hope you get a chance to meet with the Dean and I'm glad you have documentation of her behavior.

College instructor myself: her behavior is deplorable, but unfortunately not uncommon. Also, I'm fairly sure that, regardless whether she phrased it as a question to cover her ass, her revealing your grade to the class as a whole violates some privacy act or other.

I don't think she'd be so defensive if she didn't already know how wrong she was.

So far as "the dean"; look, you know how desperate people on the Internet refer to hypothetical but nonexistent lawyers when they want to silence people taunting them? Because it sounds like she's doing precisely that. Not only are deans busy people, but I don't think they have jurisdiction over this kind of thing--this is more, like, student affairs, or something, I'd think. Second, unless she has tenure, she'd be screwed sitting in front of the dean, because she's the only one in this situation who's done anything wrong, and I have a feeling she knows it.

The worst thing about taking classes online is that it ends up being like a MySpace group, and sometimes the moderator doesn't do the job well, but you can't leave, anyway.

I got all riled up reading this and it has nothing to do with me. How can she ask you to post your grade. That's confidential information isn't it?

I admire the way you handled this. You have been clear, fair, and honest. She's probably not used to directness and is uncomfortable. I especially liked your explanation that this isn't personal but that you're paying good money for an education you value. Interesting bit of manipulation she used with the Dean. I'm very curious what her response will be to your last email.

Have a great day - let us know what you got on the assignment.

You're not wrong but she'll never admit she is. She's lived this long being a twat. Nothing is going to change her twatiness now. Just pass it with flying colors and complain every chance you get. It'll keep her panties in a twist. Fun for all.

I can't wait for an update on this one.

I don't see that you did anything wrong at all, you voiced your concerns as requested by the teacher and that was it.

My gf had a similar problem with a teacher for an online class she was taking but wouldn't take my suggestion for calling the teacher out on their bull when it was necessary.

Isn't this the class where you have a field trip planned sometime in the semester? Better get this cleared up before you have to go through that! Seriously though, I can't imagine a teacher putting on her syllabus to keep your emails short because she has a short attention span. That is like a red flag right from the beginning. And now all this just proves that she probably shouldn't be teaching. Good luck!

I would SO meet the dean. That lets her know that she can't mess with you AND she wont try to hinder your learning in the future. Just keep your documentation because in the end, paper is what matters most.

Holy fuck! What really gets to me is that she keeps telling you your efforts were "all for naught" because you did well on the assignments. What does that even mean?! Like, if you failed it would have proved she was a crappy professor, but since you got a 96 everything must be hunky dory?

In MY opinion, all that running around trying to figure out what the instructor wanted from you was all for fucking naught! You could have been better prepared in less time with less aggravation if she had her shit together.

I think she needs to take that pole out of her arse. Reading that made me really annoyed.....you know that irrational 'I'm not involved here but grrrrrrrrrr' anger :O)

YOU don't have issues, but I think she does.

Uptight sow.

did you screen print and print out all of the emails that were sent to you? My blood would be boiling beyond belief right now. Is there another class you can transfer into?

She's reacting because she feels as if she's been called out in a public forum.

And she has.

And she deserved to be.

Assuming that you typed her responses verbatim, even THERE they are filled with mistakes, missing words, etc.

She was NOT available during office hours.
She was NOT responding, as promised, to messages.
She is NOT teaching the class according to her own syllabus.

Yeah, bitch, I'll see you in the dean's office.

And you'l wind up teaching the frakin' class.

I copied and pasted everything as it was.

Oh man...I read that whole blog to my boyfriend. What a BITCH. I would be venting too!! You were justified in everything you said.

She's being a bitch with the whole having to have the last word thing. I'm glad you're calling the dean, because she was probably just bluffing it.

I can't believe her...augh. Hang tough!!

She's a dumb bitch. You should definitely meet with the Dean and print out the communications to take with you.

Notice how she never actually answered anything or explained where the hell she was all week, she just went right to singling you out. I smell a personality disorder.

Yes, I totally noticed that. Not once has she explained her singling me out as the cause of chaos and confusion. And she contradicts herself by praising me in the lab for helping Diana, then in the lecture saying I'm causing confusion. It can't be both.

Oh I feel your pain. I am currently taking 2 online classes and working full time. It can be confusing even when it isn't confusing. If that makes any sense.

No, she is pissed she got called out. And you did it in a respectful and allowed way. She is just sulking. Take your appt with the dean. Print out the discussion before she deletes it. Stick to your guns. She needs to be on her game or not expect her students to be. Not responding to jacked up instruction and confusing items for 4-5 days, and AFTER material is due is unacceptable. We bend over backwards to do all that is needed for online classes. And it is A LOT. Contrary to popular belief. She needs to stay on her game or get out.

Good JOB!

This is the same teacher that said in the syllabus, "I have a short attention span so please keep your emails brief because my mind tends to wander." Can you even imagine if I, as a student, said something similar? "Um, I get bored easily so make your exams short and multiple choice, please."

LOL!

She could have worded that a little better.

Like: I'd appreciate if you could be as concise as possible, since I am busy and have limited office hours. In order for me to respond in a timely manner, keep your emails short and to the point, please.

How do these people get to teach???

I think that can be considered a "Red Flag." Fo Sho. I would freak if that happened in one of my classes. It is hard enough to be in school but to have your prof make things harder and then be a raving bitch about it? Nuh uh. No way, forget it.

You kept your cool better than I did. Any word about a Dean Meeting?

Wow. I'm sure the college would be "thrilled" with her saying that. Like you said, as students we can't say "Yeah, hi. I have a short attention span so please make this easy on me." What the hell is that?! Eff this woman. By the time you're finished with her, I'll be surprised if she has a job. Which, honestly, I don't think she deserves her job in the first place.

I'm really pissed off for you!! What a cunt. I would keep records of all of your transactions between you and her and contact the Dean and/or Department Head if need be. Clearly this teacher doesn't want to face up to her inadequacies, so she's blaming you. Keep us posted on what happens.

I'm definitely keeping records.

I think it was awesome that you helped the students. I think teacher is just on a power trip. Some of them get like that. It's probably nothing you did, just a problem she's having somewhere else that she's taking out on you. Unfair yes. Sadly is that life? Also yes. You just keep plugging away, studying hard and doing what you think is right. No matter what she thinks, we're all already proud of you!

Thank you! And best believe I'm not dropping this class. I already tried one science/lab (Astronomy) and dropped it because it required a higher level math skill set than I could handle. I'm trying to make next semester my last so there's no way I'm dropping this course.

MEET WITH THE DEAN! MEET WITH THE DEAN! MEET WITH DEAN!

I had a similar exchange with my son's high school teacher over him receiving detention because he "played along" with another teen's prank on a substitute teacher. His "playing along" consisted of not speaking up and telling the substitute about the other teen misrepresenting himself. It was all about his teacher getting in the last word...until I suggested we meet with the principal.

Bottom line: This isn't fucking high school. YOU pay for these classes thus helping to pay HER salary. The fact you got a 96 is moot. You did it despite the confusion. Did everyone else in the class get a 96? She used the whole "meet with the Dean" bullshit as a bluff.

It isn't high school and you aren't some runny nosed freshman on campus.

Exactly. I really think it was a bluff. Notice how later it was, "Do you want me to call you?" No, there's nothing to talk about over the phone. Some teachers really do "get" the whole "we pay for this" aspect of college, and some just don't. I think that she thought she was dealing with someone who doesn't know any better.

First thing in the morning, I'm calling the dean.

And I think YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE DEAN yourself and tell the Dean you feel like you've been singled out and are afraid you won't be able to communicate with her which may hamper your grade. Or something to that affect that she is coming off verbally threatening. Although, if you want to keep the peace, I guess don't do that. But I'm pretty sure you know by now that I kind of enjoy the confrontation lol.

I have been taking classes, both on-line and on campus, for the last seven years. I have found that most of the teachers who teach on-line classes do so because they lack the people skills to teach face to face. If all of this took place in a classroom, wouldn't it have been in front of all the other students? Isn't the chat feature of on-line classes meant to mimic class discussion time? She can't handle confrontation, so she hides behind the computer and as soon as she feels threatened she wants to run to the dean. Well good, I hope she is willing to explain why she went so long before answering her students questions. You did nothing wrong and good for you for not letting her intimidate you.

And....

She should have responded to your points in the forum - with concise answers to all of the questions. Then, she should have addressed all of the students' concerns in class (unless this is an online course - then she should set up a way for students that posted comments on your thread to talk to her directly by calling her at a certain time or something.) Furthermore, she should have discussed this with you - either in person or over the phone and not in an email titled 'chaos.'

Your thread should have been a wake-up call to her that she wasn't reaching her students. She should have been grateful to you for speaking up and inspired by your interest in learning. Good teachers love students that challenge others by asking questions.

She's frustrated with herself for not doing her job and taking it out on you.

Nina... do you know what I'm going to say?

You should.

Cuss. That. Woman. Out.

However, you totally won that argument. She sounds like she is being petty and childish because you disagreed with her. It's not your fault or the other students if she a) doesn't make a clear syllabus with clear directions for assignments and b) doesn't respond til after the due date of a project.

I am so mad right now reading this, because I have been in a similar situation with my Economic Theory teacher. It got to be such a conflict that the woman was like 'you're lucky I'm just a teacher' to which I responded, 'bitch, you know my address'. Yes. It went down like that. And it was on the phone, so in the end it was her word against mine. Hehe.

I feel for you. I'm punching her in the face for you in my mind.

Notice I pointed that out. Somehow asking critical questions in an open forum and disagreeing with her in private = hostile?

I think she feels threatened by you, and is trying to intimidate you in an effort to prove her own superiority to herself. Stick to your guns, and don't let her run over you, but don't get aggravated to the point that you behave in an unprofessional manner, either (yes, that says don't b*tch slap her!).

Yes, trust that I will always remain professional. And I really think she was trying to intimidate me.

She's wrong. Boozy is right on the mark.

I got along famously with my profs and they were always thrilled when a student showed extra interest by asking questions and communicating. She seems annoyed by it - because it's interfering with her life.

SHE sounds like the hostile one, not you. She seems overly defensive, as well.

Print out the message/email exchange, along with your notes about all of this, to the Dean and you will prevail.

Sorry you got stuck with a lousy Prof. Biology and science classes can be so much fun, with the right instructor. Kudos to you for keeping your cool and responding perfectly.

If you look at my reply to Tara at the top, I posted the latest since posting the blog. In the portion I didn't paste, where she goes on to address the class, she says something, "If you want to talk like this in the future, email each other. I will not tolerate this in MY domain." Then she goes on to say that she wants us all to feel like we're getting the information. So, it's okay for us to "create a negative environment" and bitch to each other, as long as it's not out in the open where one of her superiors can see it? She wants us emailing and chatting about it on the phone. Also, I thought it was OUR domain. Hell, students pay to be there.

I was thinking the same thing...
Students PAY to be there. Professors are working for the students.

When I went back to school, I realized this and demanded more from my classes. I asked more questions, met with professors, emailed and called them - I wanted to get my money's worth. I was there to learn and my grade reflected my efforts/abilities. I was fortunate to not have any professors that were this ridiculous. They were always willing to work with students and work through problems. I did always ask other students for recommendations when picking out classes and avoided professors that had a reputation for sucking. I learned to get the 411 after having some unpleasant experiences. But none of mine were as bad as this excuse-for-a-professor.

Bottom line - she encouraged her students to use a forum for learning. You did that. She didn't like what evolved and is trying to do some damage control. You did nothing wrong. The Dean will see that. She messed up and handled it all wrong. We all make mistakes - even teachers. She should have recognized her mistakes and worked to correct them so that her students could get the most out of her class. She became defensive and shifted the blame elsewhere.

This is obvious to anyone reading and the Dean will recognize it.

When you meet with the Dean, just keep it non-personal, have all of your documentation, and be as pleasant as possible. She was out of line.

You handled that perfectly! She is just being an idiot. Just keep being politically correct, that should drive her insane. The dean? He or she should see that your professor is a little bit off her rocker.